NOT FOR SALE - тема исключение

[Moscow 333]

я позволю себе открыть тему, сделав ее закрытой. я буду перепечатывать сюда информацию, которая не попадает в нашу ленту новостей, но которая достойна не меньшего внимания.

а начну с письма, которое опубликовано сегодня на Red News:

After my call to Vodafone last Thursday requesting my PAC number, and telling them my reasons for leaving, I had someone from their customer services or something call me up again today.

After I questioned him as to why he was ringing me and asking security questions, he eventually asked got round to saying "You called last week to request your PAC number saying you wanted to leave vodafone. I was just calling to ask you why?"

"I told them I was a Utd fan, and I was leaving because I didn't approve of the takeover of Manchester United and didn't want to give my money to any of the sponsors of the club!"

He said he understood even though he wasn't a utd fan. He also added that I was by no means the first person to cancel my account since last week and that they had had "quite a few" customers do the same!!

So obviously our tactics are having some effect on our sponsors!!!

Rob.

P.S. Это единственная тема на форуме, в которой можно вести дискуссию, ессно только в рамках вышеобозначенной тематики. мнения приветствуются любые, без переходов на личности, оскорблений и предельной тупизны.

[Moscow 333]

а вот и новое заявление Shareholders United

Shareholders United: IMPORTANT - YOU MUST READ THIS

IT IS NOT THE END, IT IS NOT EVEN THE BEGINNING OF THE
END..................

Make no mistake, Malcolm Glazer's takeover of Manchester United is a hostile one. Unwanted and unwelcomed by fans, Board, manager, players and almost everyone connected with the club. This much is totally clear, not least in the reaction of fans from all over who have joined SU in recent days, more than 3,000 have signed up since last Thursday - smashing all previous records. We have been inundated with offers of help and money, our website, switchboard and helpdesk swamped with enquiries, applications and encouragement.

If Malcolm Glazer and his bankers are sitting back thinking that they have won and that everything will fall into their hands, that resistance will fade away.......well they don't have a clue about the people of Manchester and Manchester United fans in particular. Don't they understand that - we'll never die, we'll never die?

Be assured that in the next few days, you will hear about the next steps being taken to ensure that Malcolm Glazer's tenure in possession of our club is as brief as possible, both from SU and from the wider Not For Sale coalition. In particular, plans for peaceful protest at Cardiff nave been discussed and the announcement will be made on Thursday - but black will be the theme, to mark the passing of our club temporarily into the hands of a unwanted predator.

BLOOD, TOIL, TEARS & SWEAT.............

Malcolm Glazer will be applying to de-list United from the Stock Exchange as soon as possible, perhaps 3 weeks from the offer document being posted to shareholders. This is expected tomorrow at the earliest, and all documents relating to the offer must be made available for inspection (probably in London at the offices of Allen & Overy, legal advisers to Glazer - check the offer document for details when it arrives).

Members are encouraged to exercise their right of inspection as often as they feel they need to fully understand the complex offer documentation. Please remember to form an orderly queue and smile for the cameras.......

And don't forget, Malcolm has to call a Extraordinary General Meeting to take the company private and leverage the company's assets. Given the pressure he is under from his bankers and the hedge funds that have granted him hideously expensive loans to take him to 75%, he will want to call that EGM quickly. If at that time there is a minority stake big enough to resist compulsory purchase of the minority by Glazer, then the EGM could be an interesting and lively affair, with thousands of angry and frustrated supporter-shareholders making their valid points to Malcolm and his cronies and placemen.

DON'T LET'S KILL ALL THE LAWYERS JUST YET...............

Once the shares are de-listed, the only buyer out there is Glazer under his mandatory offer. So there will come a point in the near future when we will be advised or forced to stop making share purchases. Up until that point, we intend to continue to buy shares with the funds deposited for the purpose by our members and from cash donations, in order to ensure that we achieve the minimum % thresholds to allow us to take legal action to (i) prevent Glazer from taking the company private or (ii) prevent him leveraging the plc's assets, and (iii) to prevent a compulsory minority buyout.

An announcement will be made concerning these thresholds and the viability of legal actions once we have completed our consultations with our legal advisers and received the results of our survey of individual shareholders which was sent out 10 days ago.

FROM THE ASHES, THERE AROSE A PHOENIX.................

What happens after we can't buy any more shares?

We are asking our members to continue contributing money towards a realistic and achievable plan to bring about the end of Glazer's temporary possession of Manchester United and the future ownership of the club by its supporters. How?

At the point where we cease to make share purchases we intend to hold cash contributions in the SU Share Scheme bank account while we go through the procedures required to set up a new vehicle - a dedicated high interest investment savings account. This account will retain members funds (allocated to each member according to contributions and paying interest to
each member) and build up a war chest which can be used to buy back Manchester United (hopefully at a knock down price) when Glazer chooses to sell out or is forced to do so buy his backers calling in the loans. So please do not stop your standing orders, contributions or donations - we will be amending the details on our application forms (both online and paper) to reflect this alternative option.

This is still at the planning stage and full details are not yet available Members contributing cash will, of course be entitled to withdraw their cash (net of any charges as normal) at any time. We are in discussions with our bankers and with fund managers about setting this fund up in the near future and we will advise members in due course. We should make it clear that we are not giving our members any financial advice on this plan and if in any doubt, consult your financial adviser. As we have done with the share scheme, SU intends to continue to act responsibly and prudently with our members' funds.

The 'working title' for this fund is 'The Phoenix Fund' because we hope it will be there to rebuild Manchester United from 'the ashes'. It is quite possible that the Fund will hold very significant sums, as it is a serious option to ask any shareholders, who choose to sell or are forced to sell their private shares, to invest the proceeds of the sale into the Phoenix Fund. Small shareholders in Manchester United hold around 18% of the
company right now - this stake is worth ?140 million pounds at Glazer's offer price. We think we can attract a significant portion of that stake towards the Fund. With growth through interest, fundraising and new contributions plus the option to leverage these funds with friendly financiers like Nomura, it could have some real financial punch.

Not only would we be forcing Glazer to borrow to the maximum to buy us out, we would be using his money to buy the club back. This has a pleasurable irony for fans who today feel helpless in the face of his predatory aggression - well here is a chance to use Glazer's money against him and recover our club to its rightful owners - the supporters.

SU Board

я просто не справляюсь с потоком переводов, так что если найдется желающий помочь, то спасибо ему заранее. пишите - отвечу быстро. плз не предлагайте сделать это на следующей неделе. все меняется несколько раз в день. все нужно делать быстро.

[Moscow 333]

Boycott EVERYTHING else. Below from the Times

‘There is a feeling of siege at the club. On Thursday evening, as fans protested at Old Trafford, Gill telephoned all United’s commercial partners, including shirt sponsor Vodafone and kit-maker Nike, to reassure them their businesses would not be damaged by the Glazer takeover. The sponsors themselves seemed less sure.
‘“It’s potentially disastrous for United,” said one sponsor’s executive. “Our involvement with United is predicated on the team’s success on the pitch, but the disruption that this is going to cause will make it very difficult for the team in the foreseeable future. And any boycott of our products by fans would entirely defeat the logic of our partnership in the club.'

и это только начало.

[Moscow 333]

отвечаю на вопрос ТОХА:

"Какой же Глейзер "АМЕРИКАНСКИЙ МИЛИОРДЕР" если у него денег нет и он поуши в долгах??? "

никакой. все свои собственные бабки он потратил на покупку акций. остальное он занял у банков. на текущий момент он практически голодранец.

[Moscow 333]

я был неправ. долгов действительно будет не миллиард. их будет МИЛЛИАРД ВОСЕМЬДЕСЯТ МИЛЛИОНОВ

очень хорошая статья в MEN
http://manchesterunited.rivals.net/d...2&stid=8381191

[Moscow 333]

обещанный фрешик про FC United

http://www.manutd.ru/content.php?id=4163&pid=1

[Moscow 333]

отвечаю на пришедший вопрос:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4550141.stm

В статье совершенно четко написано, что это произойдет (точнее уже произошло) с 75% (а не с 90%+1, о чем ты пишешь) акций. "With a 75% stake Mr Glazer would also leave the holders of the remaining stock with next to no power."
90% + 1 акция вынудят Глэйзера купить все оставшиеся акции и заплатить болельщикам деньги. На данном этапе с 75% акций он может единолично принимать абсолютно все решения, даже если все оставшиеся 25% будут принадлежать SU. То есть будет у SU 0% или 24% - все равно никакого вляния на принятие решений они оказывать не смогут. По крайней мере, именно об этом писалось в статье.

частично справедливо, а частично нет.
действительно не имеет значения сколько у SU - 24% или 11%. Важен другой параметр - 10% + 1 акция. причем, речь идет не только об SU, но и о любых других частных акционерах. пакет акций из 10% + 1 оставляет глейзеру головную боль, про которой, например, на его решения можно подать в суд, опротестовать и, что самое главное, это будет психологически тяжело для него, осознавать, что сила ему противодействующая еще есть и никуда не денется.
во вчерашнем заявлении SU, которое я надеюсь сегодня мы допереведем, очень хорошо объясняется, что произойдет с акциями в том случае, если все-таки он получит свои 90% + 1. даже в этом случае есть хороший шанс.

[Moscow 333]

http://www.benchpoint.com/mu

Shareholders United проводят исследование. прошу поучавствовать.

[Moscow 333]

в ленте новостей появился перевод моего поста №2 в этой теме. это очень важная информация!

[Moscow 333]

Вот такое вот письмо на Red News пришло . Во многом я согласен, особенно в части продолжительности войны:

Although SU have clearly done some great work in recent days (and their e-mail yesterday was spot on) I think they are misleading people in today's e-mail. We will not get rid of Glazer immediately if people don't renew ST/LMTB's etc. We have got to be thinking about a much longer battle. I'm very worried that SU think we can win this quickly, we can't and we won't. It's probably going to take a few years and we must be prepared for that. Telling people that we can win this quickly is misleading and we need to make sure that we stick together long term. We will inevitably have different points of view over things like FC United and renewing ST's etc but the absolutely critical thing is that we have a clear idea of the ultimate goal which is the long term ownership status of MUFC. We might argue among ourselves on tactics but the strategy must be consistent.

This will take time and we must make sure that everyone is geared up for a long war and not a quick battle. We will win but it will take time and if we mislead people on this now we run the risk of them drifting away from us.

In the meantime let's look forward to more men in black than we've ever seen before on Saturday and really hammer those cockney twats. Cheers.

Clive

И вот такая статья интересная:

http://www.redissue.co.uk/news/loadn...TMNW&id=222558
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